[Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

Keller, Tim Tim.Keller at stratus.com
Fri Sep 17 12:11:46 EDT 2004

I don't see where hosting would much of a problem at all.  The trick is to
charge for it.  WLUG members who wanted an account on the box would each pay
in a couple bucks a month and that money would be used to pay to host the
box.  If somebody had a decent speakeasy type (allows servers, has decent
bandwidth) account, that money could be used to pay the electric bill for
the box(s), add capacity, etc.  Then you host an webpage,distro
respository,irc channel, etc. off of it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Haines [mailto:chaines at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:04 AM
To: Worcester Linux Users Group
Subject: Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail
invit es)

I'd definitely be interested, but I agree, hosting would be the big issue.


On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:03:27 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine at worc.k12.ma.us>
> I like the idea, could be fun!  However, I think hosting would be the
> biggest hump...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02 at ttlexceeded.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM
> To: Worcester Linux Users Group
> Subject: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites)
> Frank Sweetser wrote:
> >>[...]
> >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the free
> >>space?
> >
> > Gmail actually is pretty neat.  The whole archive and search vs
> > folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented
> > it pretty nicely.  It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your
> > email archives.
> >
> > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other
> > webmail service I've tried =)
> As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill
> of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much
> less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing
> nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later.
> I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the
> building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly
> given the wealth of tools available to us GPL.
> On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a
> cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were
> detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an
> issue.
> So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff
> outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail
> alternative make a good LUG project?
> I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing
> real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific
> aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have
> hardware available for dontation.
> So...
> 1.) Is there interest in something like this
> 2.) Where could it be housed/hosted and what would it cost?
> Advantages I see are:
> 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone doing this, and it
> makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie gatherings.
> 2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache, webmail, gpg/pgp,
> spamassassin, system hardening, procmail, php/whatever, mysql, etc.)
> 3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings
> 4.) We can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and
> other options come to mind)
> 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective) spam control
> (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more control!)
> 6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure SMTP?)
> 7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now)
> 8.) Cool WLUG domain names!
> Disadvantages abound of course:
> 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and over the hump
> 2.) Money - Hosting primarily
> 3.) Support - Who'll fix it
> 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be
> allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles?
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