[Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es)

Jeff Moyer jmoyer at redhat.com
Fri Sep 17 11:19:38 EDT 2004

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invit es); Chuck Haines <chaines at gmail.com> adds:

chaines> I'd definitely be interested, but I agree, hosting would be the
chaines> big issue.  Chuck

I don't see hosting as the big issue.  You can get a lot of the development
done without any hosting at all.  Once the software infrastructure is in
place, I'm sure people (such as myself) would be happy to donate systems.

Show me the prototype, and I'll arrange for a machine to host the beta.  If
anyone cared to donate a second machine, I could even setup a failover
cluster for you.

So, who's taking the first crack at the design goals?


chaines> On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:03:27 -0400, Martin, Eric
chaines> <martine at worc.k12.ma.us> wrote:
>> I like the idea, could be fun!  However, I think hosting would be the
>> biggest hump...
>> -----Original Message-----
From> Bob George [mailto:mailings02 at ttlexceeded.com]
Sent> Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:55 PM
To> Worcester Linux Users Group
Subject> [Wlug] For discussion: A Worthy LUG project? (was gmail invites)
>> Frank Sweetser wrote:
>> >>[...]  >>Is there a benefit to having a gmail account, other than the
>> free >>space?
>> >
>> > Gmail actually is pretty neat.  The whole archive and search vs >
>> folders takes a little getting used to, but I think they implemented >
>> it pretty nicely.  It ends up giving you a very flexible view of your >
>> email archives.
>> >
>> > Oh yeah, and it's about an order of magnitutde faster than any other >
>> webmail service I've tried =)
>> As a long time Linux enthusiast, I've never quite understood the thrill
>> of having 1GB of my personal data stored on someone else's server, much
>> less on one that is hosted by a company that -- while mostly playing
>> nice now -- reserves the right to do whatever with that data later.
>> I've also not understood why that would be any more attractive than the
>> building of a (better, faster, bigger) server of my own, particularly
>> given the wealth of tools available to us GPL.
>> On the BLU list recently, there was much discussion about building a
>> cluster, but plans stalled when the reality of power and HVAC were
>> detailed. However, hosting a box or two somewhere didn't seem to be an
>> issue.
>> So... For the tech-minded but still willing to store personal stuff
>> outside, wouldn't a secure, private (as in gpg) and shared Gmail
>> alternative make a good LUG project?
>> I know many folks are looking for ways to get experience doing
>> real-world things, and enough of us probably are interested in specific
>> aspects of this to be involved at varying levels. Others may have
>> hardware available for dontation.
>> So...  1.) Is there interest in something like this 2.) Where could it
>> be housed/hosted and what would it cost?
>> Advantages I see are: 1.) A cool LUG project. I haven't heard of anyone
>> doing this, and it makes for a nice "Gmail? Hah!" response at techie
>> gatherings.  2.) A good hands-on project for the curious (apache,
>> webmail, gpg/pgp, spamassassin, system hardening, procmail,
>> php/whatever, mysql, etc.)  3.) We can address Gmail shortcomings 4.) We
>> can enhance security and privacy (gpg/pgp, encrypted data and other
>> options come to mind) 5.) We can allow users more direct (and effective)
>> spam control (spamassassin, milters come to mind -- allow each user more
>> control!)  6.) We can allow POP/IMAP access to/from the server (secure
>> SMTP?)  7.) A good place to store LUG files etc. (be good now) 8.) Cool
>> WLUG domain names!
>> Disadvantages abound of course: 1.) Time - Effort to get started, and
>> over the hump 2.) Money - Hosting primarily 3.) Support - Who'll fix it
>> 4.) Scalability - Will it be killed by success? How much room can be
>> allocated per-user? How big of a box before it buckles?
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